Introduction
Eight months ago AMD introduced their 2nd generation of Phenom 2 X4 Processors that was designed to use the AM3 socket while remaining backwards compatible with previous AM2/AM2+ motherboards. Although the Phenom II X4 965 was AMD’s flagship desktop processor, it wasn’t the performance that glued users on to it but rather the value for money it brought to the table. Alongwith processors like X 2 550/555 which could be unlocked to 4 cores depending upon the combination of chip and motherboard. Whether your allegiance lies with AMD or Intel, there is no denying the fact that competition is a good thing for us the consumers. Now you would ask, why should Intel affiniatos be happy about AMD’s hexa-core processor launch. Intel has a hexa-core Processor, the i7 980X aka gulftown but it retails for 1000$ and out of reach for majority of the enthusiast who are in their sane minds and without any roadmap for launching an affordable hexa-core CPU. We will find out in the next few pages whether the new hexa-core processor from AMD 1090T Black Edition pressurises the competition enough that Intel would be forced to do price cuts or maybe new product launches.
The new Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition that we are benchmarking today operates at 3.2GHz with a 16x clock multiplier (200Mhz slower than the 965) but with a turbo speed of 3.6Ghz which should make non-overclockers very happy because when using single thread applications it means free performance. This new Phenom is based on the new new Thuban architecture and features 9MB L3 cache, with each core having its own dedicated 512KB of L2 cache (3MB total L2 cache).
And before we forget its not just X6 1090T which is getting launched today but there are other processors as well. Do find the basic specs of the processors listed below.
1090T Featureset
Lets have a quick look at the die picture of the 1090T. We wont waste your time with blabbering on the conclusions drawn from the picture.
• True Six Core Processing
• AMD Turbo CORE Technology
• L1 Cache: 128KB (64KB Instruction + 64KB Data) x6(six-core)
• L2 Cache: 512KB x6(six-core)
• L3 Cache: 6MB Shared L3
• 45-nanometer SOI (silicon-on-insulator) technology
• HyperTransport™ 3.0 16-bit/16-bit link at up to 4000MT/s full duplex; or up to 16.0GB/s I/O bandwidth
• Up to 21GB/sec dual channel memory bandwidth
• Support for unregistered DIMMs up to PC2 8500 (DDR2-1066MHz) and PC3 10600
• Direct Connect Architecture
• AMD Balanced Smart Cache
• AMD Dedicated Multi-cache
• AMD Virtualization™ (AMD-V™)Technology
• AMD PowerNow™ 3.0 Technology
• AMD Dynamic Power Management
• Multi-Point Thermal Control
• AMD CoolCore™ Technology
In AMD’s words – “AMD Phenom™ II X6 Processors were designed for extreme megatasking, multi-threaded applications, and entertainment. To enable you to do more than you’ve ever imagined: create, edit, render, encode/decode and transfer dense HD content while watching HD content, burning CDs or DVDs while downloading music and video.” We certainly will see in the upcoming pages if they have been successful in their endeavor or not. But first lets look at the difference between the various new chipsets AMD has come out with.
New AMD Chipset comparison and architecture
And before we move on just so that you get to know a bit more about the 890FX chipset, do check the architecture of 890FX below.
System Specs and Benchmark List
Due to shortage of time, there is only a limited amount of setups that we have for comparison. But I guess this should be enough to see where does 1090T stands when compared to its existing product line and the target competition.
We would be comparing the setups with below mentioned benchmarks
Multithreaded 2d Benchmarks
Wprime
Everest CPU Queen
Winrar
Main Concept Encoding
PCMark Vantage
Memory Bandwidth Benchmark
Sisoft Sandra
3d Synthetic Benchmarks
3dMark06
3dMarkVantage
Cinebench
Games
Crysis Warhead
FarCry 2
Turbo CORE
Lets talk about the new feature in the x6 series of CPU, in my understanding Turbo CORE is something which plays with CPU’s TDP headroom when three or more cores are idle by automatically boosting the remaining three cores and throttling down the idle cores. On the Phenom II X6 1090T, 3.2 GHz CPU it can boost the CPU up to 400Mhz and put the final speed to 3.6Ghz. Quite impressive if you ask me.
Unfortunately it seems to me this is simply a marketing gimmick or fail engineering. I tried running a couple of single threaded programs like super-pi and pi-fast at stock speeds of 3.2Ghz but at no point of time any of the cores jumped to 3.6Ghz. At the max one of the cores jumped over to 3.4Ghz only to fall back on 3.2Ghz and at no point of time did any of the cores throttle down.
Though I should also add, that I was not using a 890FX board but I dont think Turbo Core is chipset restricted or atleast it simply should not be. On another thought it might be bios dependent and needs a motherboard bios update??? We will wait for the verdict to come out on this in the next couple of weeks.
Overclocking
This is the section which excites me the most, afterall I write reviews so that I can have access to the latest hardware(whoops!!! spilled the secret out). Lets then push it to the limits, ofcourse only on air. But there is more to come, LN2 results should be out in a week or two.
Before we begin let me tell you that the sample we have is a retail unit so though we would expect other processors to reach to the same level or better but many factors come into play when overclocking. First off we tried with the stock cooler which has seen some improvement from the 965’s stock cooler. Hold on to your breath, we were able to reach speeds of upto 4.4Ghz which was only 2d stable though. 4.2Ghz was 3d stable on stock cooler under an airconditioned room. Hugely impressed with the initial overclock on the stock cooler we slapped on a sample of CoolerMaster V10 cooler that we had. Though temperatures decreased but our overclock didnt improve. So next was disabling cores (remember this wont give much performance boost to most users, but can be done just to get maybe a second faster time in superpi). With the Gigabyte motherboard we had we were able to disable all but 2 of the cores from Bios. And with vCore pushed to 1.6V we were able to achieve 4.6Ghz which was stable enough to run superpi. Afterall things said and done, now the reviewer can go to sleep in peace.
Our retail review sample was able to reach 4.6Ghz with only 2 cores and 1.6V, but for 24/7 setup we were able to achieve 4.2Ghz at 1.55V. This is certainly good news since in our opinion 1090T would have a higher overclocking headroom than the 965BE processors out there judging by our retail review sample while adding 2 extra cores to it.
WPrime
We will be starting our tests with this multi-threaded benchmark application which gains from both higher frequency speeds and more cores as well. We will be running 1024m tests for this one.
The stock 1090T packs a great punch at stock clocks when compared to the Intel offering, however when both the processors are overclocked to 4.2Ghz, timings are almost neck to neck, with Intel i7 920 having a slight edge.
Winrar
Next up in the benchmark is the universal compression tool Winrar. We are not going ahead with its synthetic benchmark but we would be compressing a 500MB folder in each of the system and measure the time it takes to compress the folder. Lesser the time better the performance.
Winrar – Compression 500MB Folder
Looks like 920’s HT paying off here, Intel has a healthy lead here both at stock and when overclocked.
Sandra
SiSoftware Sandra is one of the most popular synthetic memory benchmark utilities. Sisoftware Sandra (System ANalyzer, Diagnostic and Reporting Assistant) is an information & diagnostic utility. It should provide most of the information (including undocumented) that you need to know about your hardware, software and other devices.
Here we see Read and write speeds of the memory which is set at 1600Mhz Cl8-8-8-24.
Intel with its triple channel memory has a huge lead here as expected both at read and write speeds. And 1090T sees gain over the 965. No surprises here.
EVEREST
Lavalys EVEREST is a system diagnostics and benchmarking utility that provides system and overclock information, advanced hardware monitoring and diagnostics capabilities, including tests for the memory subsystem. It also includes various CPU benchmarks, one of them is CPU Queen which is what we are going to use today. This particular test is sensitive to both frequency and active number of cores.
Everest CPU Queen
Another synthetitic benchmark, but here 1090T takes a huge lead over Intel i7 and the amount of lead is surprising for sure. If only in real life applications we could have seen such leads by 1090T.
PCMark Vantage
PCMark Vantage is a PC benchmark suite designed for Windows Vista and now Windows 7 offering one-click simplicity for casual users and detailed, professional grade testing for industry, press and enthusiasts.
A PCMark score is a measure of your computer’s performance across a variety of common tasks such as viewing and editing photos, video, music and other media, gaming, communications, productivity and security.
PCMark Vantage
Once again we see Intel scoring a huge lead over the hexa-cores even at stock clocks.
Main Concept
Main Concept is a multi-threaded video encoding application. We used a downloaded MPEG-2 file and converted it to H.264 format on all our systems.
Main Concept Encoding MPEG-2 to H.264
AMD 1090T outperforms i7 920 easily on stock clocks. But when matched clock to clock 920 takes a small lead. As usual we see much better performance from 1090T when compared to 965BE.
3dMARK06
Although this benchmark is a couple of years old, it still hasn’t lost its sheen. 3DMark06 is a PC benchmark suite designed to test the DirectX9 performance of your graphics card. A 3DMark score is an overall measure of your system’s 3D gaming capabilities, based on comprehensive real-time 3D graphics and processor tests. We ran only the CPU Test to measure the performance of our CPU’s.
3dMark06 – CPU Test
We already knew that 3dMark 06 favors Intel CPU a lot. Though at stock clocks 1090T soared ahead of i7 920 but again when compared clock to clock at 4.2Ghz, i7 920 took the lead back. 965BE as expected is at the bottom of the table.
3dMark Vantage
The latest installment (some say the big brother of 3DMark 06) of the famous 3D benchmark. This version added support for DX 10. This pushes the graphics sub system a lot harder than its younger brother and gives an idea of how your machine would perform under stressful games:
3dMarkVantage – CPU Test
Its Intel all along. i7 920 takes the lead even at stock clocks, which is almost 600 Mhz lower than the clocks of 1090T and further increases the lead when running at 4.2Ghz. 965BE retains its bottom most position.
Cinebench
CINEBENCH is a real-world cross platform test suite that evaluates your computer’s performance capabilities. CINEBENCH is based on MAXON’s award-winning animation software CINEMA 4D, which is used extensively by studios and production houses worldwide for 3D content creation. CINEBENCH is the perfect tool to compare CPU and graphics performance across various systems and platforms.
Cinebench
This is where 1090T really shines. At stock clocks 1090T has a healthy lead. Though when compared at 4.2Ghz, i7 920 reduces the lead quite a bit but still the leader is 1090T.
Crysis Warhead
Crysis Warhead
We see a marginal improvement after overclocking the CPU. But not much difference to pick between Intel and AMD. Pick any and you will be satisfied as far as your gaming needs are concerned.
FarCry 2
Far Cry 2
Pretty clear that Far Cry 2 is not CPU limited but GPU limited atleast in our case. If gaming is your concern then you can pick any one of them and you will certainly not be disappointed.
Price and Conclusion
1090T and 1055T are the first real hexa-cores which is in reach of 99% enthusiasts, since Intel’s 980X retails for around 1000$(more than Rs. 55000 in Indian retail market), though if you are looking at purely performance numbers then I am sure 980X has simply no competition. We will have a 980X as well for comparison very soon, so stay glued to Erodov, :p. As of now 1090T is selling for around Rs. 15000 and 1055T for Rs. 10100 from SMC International and other retailers in India.
Though 1090T is impressive but which group of enthusiast should really be looking forward to upgrade?. I will say anyone involved in video work, photoshop, rendering would be my first target group. AMD’s new flagship processor is easily able to keep up with the Intel’s 920 and in some test better it. Gamers I would say would not really see much benefit from either going to Intel or AMD’s hexacore just now. There is really no benefit of having extra cores when they are not being used for gaming. If you are a gamer and want more performance out of your C2D or Phenom 2 computer then will suggest a SSD as an upgrade for sure, specially if you play multiplayer games. Ofcourse if you are a overclocker at heart and would like to buy a future proof system for the next 2-3 years then 1090T has plenty to offer. Our system was able to do 4.6Ghz for a very small fraction of time for some 2d benchmarking, 4.4Ghz for benchmarking all cores with 2d benchmarking softwares like wprime, and 4.2Ghz for all our benchmarking suite. It will be interesting to see how much it can do under Liquid Nitrogen which we will be doing most probably this weekend. We have been told that these hexacore’s better overclocking headroom is mostly because of GlobalFoundrie’s addition of low-k dielectric in their 45nm manufacturing process, because of which these chips leaks less current, drawing less power and outputting less heat. Just uptill a few months ago, AMD had a 140W quad core and today they are delivering an hexacore within a 125W power envelope. Thats quite a feat if you ask me.
In the end, we are at a crossroad where 1090T has brought AMD much closer to Intel than they have ever been in recent times. Its pretty hard to clearly announce a winner and to recommend one company over the other but whichever company you choose to build your rendering/gaming/enthusiast system, you’re probably not going to regret it.
We would like to thank Mr. Saini from SMC International and AMD for providing us with the review sample.
Also be sure to check out TestFreaks for more reviews on the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T or Intel Core i7 920.































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Great, intel quadcore kills 6core Amd xD
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Good job:)
Thanks archer,
yes the I7 intel does outperform AMD a bit but considering the amd is around $300.00 us and the intel is around $950.00 I would opt for the amd … and…for the price diference you can even throw in a Raedon 5970 graphics card
Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 980X $1084.00 us AMD Phenom II X6 1090T US $365.00
The chip compared here is a i7 920, which retails for now somewhere around 250-275$, though ofcourse AMD platforms are cheaper but the 1090T itself is now costlier than the i7 920
Where exactly did you see that this was a 980X? It clearly says 920 in the title…
Good, I7 is tooooooooo much better than AMD Phenom II X6…10% better
When it comes down to it, you would expect to purchase a quad core (920=$275) for less than a six core (1090T=$309). But you wouldn’t expect it to outperform the six core in most test. The only saving grace for the AMD 1090T is the AM3 board is used for both quad and 6 core. The proc is the only thing you have to upgrade.
Looks like a near even match, which isn’t too surprising as neither Intel or AMD have been able to get a clear cut advantage over each other “YET”. This is good for the consumer, as we’ll get more choices and more affordable options.
The real performance I expect will come when we start hitting 8-24 core chips, which I see as only 1-6 years off.
psycho, for intel new 6-core 17, you could get 2 AMD hexacores and a case, and motherboards and ram and make a computer with 12 cores… 1v1 intel wins, barely in most tests, for 300% more price=fail
where do you people are seeing a 980X being compared??? Its a i7 920 which has been compared, as Michael, rightly said, both i7 920 and 1090T are pretty even and close in performance, so final decision can be based on users own discretion depending on power usage, price and brand preference.
And 980X is definitely costly but in my opinion is not for ordinary users but is a god send for benchers, they clock almost insanely high on LN2 and performance is almost double than 1090T on LN2…….Ofcourse price is a deterrent but top end chips from Intel has always been so……..
Why does the Intel system have 6GB of RAM and the AMD only have 4GB?
Triple Channel vs Dual Channel, he would have had to have used either 3GB or 6GB on the Intel and 3GB would have been limiting. 4GB should not have affected the performance on the AMD system given the tests used.
You guys realise that no software uses 6 cores yet so we are only seeing 4 core performance on the 1090T, If we would compare i7 920 and i7 980X we would get neck and neck results because i7 980X would only use 4 cores, I rest my case
@Snattu, you realise all the benchmarks barring Sisoft Sandra and the games are multi-core applications, which do benefit with additional cores.
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some of the results are incorrect I think, because I get on my 1090T @4.46GHZ in 3Dmark vantage 28026 and in the results above it says that it got 20k at 4.2GHZ so i don’t really think that 200 mhz would affect that much
My friend Snattu, Overclockers/Benchmarkers do not use PhysX when running CPU test, so try running the test again, and this time turn off PhysX. Please do report the score you get here,
The Intel i7 920 is Intel’s “lower grade” quad core for the 1366 socket. The AMD hexcore is their outright top-of-the-line model for socket AM3.
The fact that a low grade CPU is beating another companies best CPU they can offer with more cores really says something. It says you’d almost have to be dumb to chose the impaired company.
Would you chose the impaired horse in a race? I don’t think so. I’ll stick to Intel. I’ll stick to tri-channel RAM and a socket that leaves me the option to blow the competitor away.
It makes no sense that someone can claim an AMD is a money saver. You’re simply paying less for a company that has little to offer. That’s not really saving money. It’s just getting what you pay for.
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i agreed that intel quad core (intel i7) beats AMD six core. but the price for intel core i7 is $1000, but the AMD will cost only $295. AMD gives full value for money than intel. From my opinion AMD is best for Performance and money. Hexacore processor is slight difference in performance compared to intel. Thats the reason AMD wins hearts of all Computer Fans. im not blaming intel. if intel sells their product at $295. then my votes goes to Intel. this will not happen. for value of money AMD is best.. if you want to buy intel compare AMD Processor that sells for $1000. then have the right to decide who is best and who is worst..
What you are missing, STILL(obviously did not read the thread OR the results) is that they weren’t comparing the $1000 Intel i7 chip, but the 920, which can be had for less $$ than the AMD X6. The $1000 Intel (980X) processor would embarrass that AMD so badly that it’s not even worth comparing.. It would be like pistol-whipping a blind person.
[...] i7 930 often faster than the 1090T once overclocked. Take a look at the benchmarks. http://www.techreaction.net/2010/05/…thuban-review/ The Six Core would be future-proof, due to more cores and Intel's need to switch sockets at the [...]
I’m quite happy with the 1090T performance, but keep in mind the Phenom II architecture is ‘End of Life’. It is still inferior to the Core i7, but at it’s price and the amount of cores/performance you get i think it’s a fantastic buy.
The Core i7 wins only marginally on most tests which means very little when your playing games at over 60 FPS.
1090T -Top job AMD
I’m not a fanboy i have a Intel Q9450 myself
It’s kind of a stupid comparison when considering you are overclocking the 920 way more than the 1090T. I’d like to see how the two processors compair when maxed out.
^^^hahahahaha, so according to you, both 920 and 1090T should not be clocked same @ 4.2 Ghz for review because percentage wise thats a bigger overclock on the 920??? A fair comparison would have been when chips were overclocked to – 1090T @ 4.4Ghz and 920 @ 4.8Ghz(since thats the max stable overclock of both these chips on air). Where does idiots like you come from???
I buy the 1090T is better in 6Core Programms.
I hate how everyone bashes AMD, the purpose of these chips was to supply a good amount of processing power for a small price. and that is where Intel fails…
Sure, Intel does have the most powerful chips on the market. But when it comes down to price/performance AMD wins, and that is why many people buy from them.
Not to mention AMD has the 1055T which is $199 USD, still 6 cores, but just clocked lower. OC that chip and you got a quality system.
IMO AMD has proved that they can appeal to there customers. and they have. I would much rather pay $200 for the 1055T and get about 90% of the performance compared to the i7.
so….
Intel fanboys if you like your overpriced CPU’s, good, because I like my cost effective AMD rig.
Because a lot of people here are talking a lot about how fast is this cpu and how slow is that without even try them out here is my little exprience:
I currently work as a video editor and at work we have a workstation with intel 980x 8gb ram quadro fx3800 2×1 raid etc working on software like after effects premiere etc. This is a beast computer who deosn’t complain about anything i throw at him realy amazing.
excited about the power of 6 cores i and not having to much money i decided for the first time to buy myself an amd 1055t o.c it to 3.5ghz with 8gb ddr3 on gigabyte 785g micro atx board i didn’t expect it to be in the same league of the 980x and to my Big suprise its not too far away
working on real life project in after effects on promos where at work the intel crunches the encoding proccess to 5 minutes in the amd it takes me 8 minutes on a realy heavy effects projects where the intel renders for something like 25 minutes the amd finishes 10 minutes afterwards.While browsing using office and othe regular software show absulotley no gains between each system
the price of the computer at work was 3800$ my system cost 700$ so is waiting 10 more minutes in the end of the day worth it? i guess so..bravo amd
I look at it this way, until a year ago, I had used Intel since 1984 with my original IBM PC. Intel has ruled the world of x86 and they broke several laws doing so. Last year when I worked at tigerdirect.ca and had done significant research into the Phenom II and Core 2 Quad CPUs, I happily chose the Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition. Now some people will say “But you can’t use DDR3 with that CPU!” and to them I say “Who cares? When I bought my RAM, it only cost me $10 per GB for OCZ Reaper HPC and I maxxed out my K9A2 Platinum motherboard with 8GB!”. The MSI K9A2 Platiunum uses the AMD 790FX northbridge which is still an amazing chipset and all I’ll have to do to upgrade to the Phenom II X6 is drop the chip in! I’ll get i7 performance without having to throw money at an LGA 1366 motherboard! Good enough for me and 8GB of RAM will be plenty for many years to come even if it is only DDR2-800! Until Intel learns how to not screw people, make mine AMD!
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“Psycho May 8, 2010 at 5:04 AM
Great, intel quadcore kills 6core Amd xD”
STFU n00b!
Thx for the review it helped alot in deciding what one to get
I got my I7-930 at Micro Center for $199.99. For that price, it is a way better deal than anything AMD can offer.
My Wprime score on 1024M was 224.758, and thats only clocked at 3.5ghz.. My 955 BE overclocked to 3.7 scored 329.155 on the same test. The Intel is 32% faster, and clocked 200mhz slower.
AMD has great prices for budget machines, but Intel just flat out makes better processors.
I have one Phenom II X6 1090T @ stock every values that you have post here are lower than the ones i get:
Example:
Cinebench 5,75 not 5,6
3Dmark 5970 not 5900
the scale that you use is very suspicious:
Example:
Farcry 2 1 frame difference huge graphic difference
(920 wins 1 frame big deal
)
(because AMD wins?
)
crysis warhead same 1 frame difference not so huge graphic difference
You have to use the same graphics design scales.
try to use 7zip and not winrar
) are the really multi core applications.
AMD in realy multicore aplications beats i7 920 even at same clock speeds.
And the future (present
alguien sabe , si hay alguna placa madre con doble zocalo para poner dos x6 ? (algo parecido a los skultrail ) entonces si estaria bueno bueno este thuban , saludos
Yeh so you pay like 500 more for just 10% XD massive rip off. if it was only 100 more then yes but seriously the i7 are just a rip off.
@ Xino, you complaining about 70 points in 3dMark 06 and .15 in Cinebench?, have you ever heard that it gets affected by memory, mobo, graphic card?? Hell rerun the tests on your system and you may find the same amount of difference over there itself. Stupid fanboys like you who act smart pisses me off badly..
First of all i’m not a funboy (I work with PC all day Intel and AMD in my home I just have 5 (4 Intel) ), second when the autor of this article put ONE ( 1 ) frame in far cry 2 with that graphic. That is so very rong that shoud piss you much more off, not me
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If someone make a realy article about someting must do it right.
Question:
Have you ever heard that ONE FRAME it gets affected by memory to?
Have you ever heard that are right ways to make grapics?
Have you ever heard that some people do use computers to work?
Have you ever heard that in aplications that this people use are multitask?
In my opinion if you want to play buy a playstation not a AMD X6 and not a i7.
But if you work with autocad, virtual machines, video editing do buy a AMD X6 they are very fast and sheap.
But if have the money buy a i7 i congratulatet you to
Guys try Linux!!!!! And throw a mathematical calculation on both 1090t and i7 980x. But you have to perform a compilation of the program you would throw for each system. I tried. 1090t is 40% faster than six-core i7 980x, and most scientists greed and proved it. In benchmarks 980x is faster due to crappy Microsoft software, because generally you cannot compare processors on the same OS with the same program. That’s why the fastest pc in the world never use crappy intel’s chips, they use only AMD opterons and IBM powercells. that’s it, scientifically proved. And people who build super computers dont count money since they all cost more than few millions of dollars. AMD is a pure winner if you can treat it right and not with unified crappy benchmarks.
thanks for the review. when it comes down to it the i7 920 (which by the way is the slowest of the i7’s) out preforms AMD’s masterpiece “Phenom II X6 1090T”, that says alot in my book.Bottom line AMD needs to start over. come out with something completely new.
And all this “intel a rip off” i dont think so. the Phenom II X6 1090T performs the same as the i7 920.AMD knows it cant put there best chip out there for 1000 dollars when a 275 dollar i7 920 out performs it. they have to stay in the price/performance area. thats why the Phenom II X6 1090T cost the same as a i7 920 cuz they perform the same so price has to be the same. alot of people say AMD is best for performance/cost which is not true.why go buy a Phenom II X6 1090T for 300 dollars when you can get a i7 920 which outperforms the Phenom II X6 1090T by 5-10% and cost 25 dollars less. that looks to me like the best performance/cost goes to intel. hmmmmm……
comparing AMD to Intel is like comparing a hyundai to a lexus. not even close.lol
only thing AMD has going for them is there ATI graphics. AMD cpu’s i think will be gone in 10-15 years.
@ James
That is sadly a real possibility. They might not be not gone completely but with the way it’s been going since core 2, if bulldozer doesn’t make a big splash AMD could end up making low end netbook cpus like VIA
@ electric boogaloo
Why?
If you claim you must have something to prove it !
Do you ?
please read this:
http://blogs.forbes.com/greatspeculations/2010/07/06/amd-is-the-gadfly-that-still-bothers-intel/
But if you have something magical that predicts the future make me know.
Please people PLEASE use your brains CPU’s can’t do everything for you.
@xino
what you mean “prove it” there product speaks for its self.
@James
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and I advise you to play the on stock market.
Ok let me explain you
You say “AMD cpu’s i think will be gone in 10-15 years” it’s a hell of a prediction.
Glad to say “I think” because in this world if anything is said without giving good reasons it worth nothing.
If you are a big investigator or a person with a special power that can predict something like that.
Please put where your reasons and be sure that products don’t speak
AMD is not just just Phenom’s and the world, today, is not so simple that you can do that prediction.
In other worlds the today’s things are not just black and white there is lot’s of colors
If you can make a model that can predict that AMD will be gone in 10-15 years you are my hero
Just remember this page in 10-15 years when they final go out of biz, you be like damn he was right.
I’ve been with AMD for about 10 years, starting with Duron, Athlon and now Phenom. My personal view; good product, like it and not much to complaint about it, and cheap
. However I must agree with Marshall – “It’s just getting what you pay for”.
[...] about it winning in almost every application. But this post is where I got most of my information ( [Blog] AMD Phenom II Six Core 1090T vs Core i7 920 Full Comparison | TechREACTION ) , and it seems to end up about 50/50 for performance. And if they are equal, I think going with [...]
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u should compare with same price item ~~ i7 920 expensive~~
to all the people who bought Intel core i3, i5, i7 your a tool and Intel it profiting off every penny later this year they will release a new CPU socket and processor yes, you’ll have to upgrade your motherboard and maybe ram with it
@NinjaiX Yeah, seeing as though the i7 quad cores, i7 980x and 970 six cores, and as well as the coming next year core i9 totally new chip will and are all on the same 1366 platform….you’re just plain wrong. And not to make you mad but that comment REALLY makes you sound like a AMD ‘Fanboy’. And no I am in no way a Fanboy of any of them I just state the facts. And really with absolutely any kind of manufacturer of CPU’s they will always change platforms and yet AMD has as well kept the AM3 platform alive for well longer than most others and Intel thought this through as well! The i9 chip will in fact be on the 1366 socket! now, as for an 8-core? Who knows! Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. But honestly with triple-channel ram and all the other ‘bells and whistles’ and Vregs advancements no one really knows if it will be necessary as modern 8-core 16 thread processors can use dual channel with slightly older tech. I, thankfully, have my own business and have built hundreds of Intel and AMD personal, enthusiast performance, and even low/mid/high-end servers and well intel tends to really take a huge lead especially in the server realm with their ingenuity in multi-threading! And as for everyone talking about the price to performance, the i7 920 which i use @ 4.3GHz cost me just $199.99 at my local Microcenter. Highest i’ve personally seen was @ $289 on Newegg. Now, for that price for the 920 it’s still about $10 cheaper and clocked to the equivalent of the 1090t it does beat it, maybe only by 10%-20%,but it DOES! And that means that for your ‘price to performance’….well intel won their too! And no, you DO NOT HAVE to use triple or even dual channel on the 1366 boards, it is an option to utilize the full potential of the processor! Hope it clears at least one thing up such as the pompous poster above me. Thank you
i’m AMD’s fan. everybody want cheap right!!!!… intel suck with price, but their performance not too good…. so, more better take AMD 6 core then Intel Quad Core in price case… Thank you.
i7 920 ~250$$$
1090T ~320$$$$$$$$$
i7 win
@Dani
I wonder wich NL editing software you use at your home that AMD 1055t renders a video at least 10mins after intel render it’s video, becuase i have a Ci7 920 at stock speed ( i dont like to deal with heat) and i recently built an AMD with a 1055t (125w) for a client that did not want to spend too much cash. So i went ahead and used Pinnacle HD to make a video with lots of Hollywood FX transitions (3d), my Ci7 played all the sequence at full frame (2 or 3 dops on some 3d transistions) and rendered the 25mins video in about 11min, then i opened to same edit on the AMD (moved the HDD to the AMD PC) and the pc could not even handle the HD videos without jumping and stopping very much on real time preview, and the render took about 35mins for same video. I really don’t care much about the rendering time. what i like is the fluid preview at high resolution with all transisions there wich the Ci7 handles great while the AMD locks too much. when i saw this it gave me a clear view at what people mean when they say “you get what you pay for”…
Read this:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=%5B8-Way%5D+Six-Core+AMD+Opteron+8435
When it comes to real performance, not stupid game performance that are based on crappy Microsoft, but real serious professional performance Amd is an ultimate winner. I have to clusters running on opteron 6176 se, it is P-O-O-H!!!!!! to intel. Intel is good for novice users who dont go beyond stupid benchmarks and game reviews, but you cant benchmark tow processors on the os. So amd to intel is not like huyindai to lexus, but as supersonic jet to a fast car.
^^^ Wow, just wow, so now you have to bring server processors to show AMD’s performance lead, and that too again in a synthetic BENCHMARK, Fanboys for the win, no seriously
Oh!!! and btw just to break it out to you, Passmark is a benchmark that not much reviewers have faith in…..
For those of you saying that somehow Intel is crushing AMD in these benches is absurd. I see no “crushing” going on here at all!!?? The 1090t in true real life multi threaded apps. simply will destrot the 920 with the exception of a few programs. In real life applications you will see better performance from the 1090t for sure so all of you Intel trolls somehow saying the 920 crushes the 1090t better think again. I am very suspicious of these results anyways as I get much different results on my system as well as others reporting different results as well. And a difference of 1 frame per second in a game means absolutely jack shit as the conditions would very heavily from system to system. The truth is in real world multi threaded apps. the 1090t will win almost every time.
Im gonna say this slow for you…… these 2 chips cost about the same….there is no $ per performance difference….this is a cheaper intel chip vs the top of the line 6 core amd chip……….if you are building a rig you would be better off using the intel………..and if you really want performance take out the cheap 920 later and slap in a 980x …………..you would have the option…. with the amd this is as good as it can get…………… on a side note.. amd fans used to be about performance and they had a good argument back in the day , but now it seems they will blindly hold on to amd nomatter how bad it gets. Intel is not ripping you off they are giving you the best chips ever built on earth. amd is ripping you off by offering you inferior chips for the same money
i would not disagree that the amd six core is not worth it isnt. but usually amd is way better for the money compared to intel and they have better cheaper boards. the athlon II x4 series is real good for the money i like the athlon series more then the phenom i feel you get more with your money with the athlon then any other series of cpu’s..and AMD does own the 200$ market for cpu’s but the 300$ six-core is not worth it and i would rather get a I7 920..as many others would..but do you know why i wouldn’t because of intel motherboards..face it there not as good as amd’s for the same price and intel they makes a new socket all the time amd is way more compatible… but theres no lie that amd is the best for 200$ its a clear winner not like the 300$ market cpu’s……know lets get to ati and nvidia thats a hard market to see whats better for you money…100$ ati(4850).. 200$nvidia(460) but amd usally is always better then intel for price/performance but not this time!!!! FACE IT AMD GET BULLDOZER OUT AND KICK INTEL A.S.S
hey …….. u gonna buy i7 4 $1000 or x6 4 $300 ? ………..for a small diff
@anand, where do you see a $1000 i7 4 core chip here??? Its a less than 300$ i7 which is compared here….
The $1000 i7 x6 from Intel is far ahead of AMD in performance where it matters….
Regardless of the results. Intel has lost to AMD in many aspects. AMD holds the world record for CPU speed, GPU speed, RAM speed and chip set speed. Intel has never been able to touch the over clocking ability of AMD and the performance of AMD in many clinical studies.
Intel is all a brand. That is all you spend thousands of dollars on. As intel cant touch AMD in the OC department.
have a nice day.
I can build two jam up systems with AMD parts compared to one system of intel. $1,000 for a intel chip LOL please some people were born yesterday I guess.
its amazing I only read about 50% of the comments and im going to say this in caps so hopefully people stop doing this .
THEY COMPARED THE INTEL CORE I7 920 WITCH IS AROUND $300.00 NOT THE INTEL I7 980X WITCH IS $999.99 .
IM ASSUMING THEY DID THAT SO IT WAS IN SAME PRICE RANGE . DONT EVEN BRING UP THE 980X AGAIN BECAUSE IT WASNT PART OF THE COMPARISON .
IT WAS A $300 AMD CHIP VS ANOTHER $300 INTEL CHIP
Honestly for the price, i can’t wait to get one of these. The phenom quadcore performs so well in linux that i cant even begin to imagine how this one is going to run things. Ubuntu 10.04 boots in only 10 seconds and almost everything i run loads instantly. Running audio apps and software synthesizers AMD processors athlon and up have always done a fantastic job of handling huge processor loads with great stability. Also the prices tend to be lower. If you are having issues with your multicore amds not flying in speed perhaps the issue is running windows, and not your processor at all.
I’ll spell this slow too like some1else did… to morons who hate Intel or AMD… you idiots don’t get the F**kin’ picture.. the worst nightmare… IT’S THE MONOPOLY… THE 1 AND ONLY IN THE MARKET, no matter who… f**kin’ retards… f**kin morons.
Hey… would you people mind ? i think this comparaison is not giving you the real performance of the 2 cpu… i think all depends on the components of your system. Also, i think these doesn’t help anybody at all in choosing which cpu he is going to buy. but the thing is i guess it depends on what you gonna do in your computer.
sometime when you run an application ( let’s say 2 diffrent days) the first day it runs faster, the second day less faster… so no complain ! just configure your system according to your financial capacity COZ i am not gonna pay for you………….. got it ????
im using LINUX only
AMD it is
use it for servers, clusters, routing etc
no competition from intel as it clearly outperforms in real world apps and intensive computing apps and hence not being judged by some standardized benchmark instrumentation tool. This flame war is for kiddies . Amd beats intel with a reason. No AMD canot go down after ten fifteen years as benchmarks at that time wont mean anything.
Benchmarking –only for athlon, pentium 4, turion, sempron, and early phenoms And not at this levelof 24 cores and 48 cores
the age of benchmarking will finally end.
Thank you
i don’t anderstand, some of you say intel beasts amd after seeing the tests…. ARE YOU DAM or what ?!!! there are 11 tests …. amd scores 7/11 and intel 4/11 ……… please sroll up and find it out by yourself before shouting like a stupid !!!! hahahahahaha !!!! computers work better than your brain ! you f***kin shit heads.
I use intel but soon i will switch to amd ……………………… WHY ??? OH yeah ! forgot, i would say when talking about price,,,,, yes it’s more cheapper building a system with amd cpu than intel cpu.
For those of you who want to build up a system with i7 930 / i7 950+ …….. ok fine go ahaed, fine but what is the use of having a fast computer with little use at home… or don’t know what ? amd beats intel again here.
Do you guys know how many people in the world can have that faster computer you are talking about ??? yeah more people cannot affort so what do they buy ??? of course again, AMD system…
[...] The 920 and the 1090T trade for first depending on what you are doing. Look up some reviews. http://www.techreaction.net/2010/05/…thuban-review/ http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph…1&limitstart=4 I have more if you want them. And about [...]
First off, guys chill out its a piece of hardware not a religion. Looking at this from a completely unbias view at these tests, I would say the two processors are almost equal.
Price – Intel I7 920 is cheaper than AMD Phenom II x6 1090T
Overclocking – Intel i7 seems to have a slight advantage
Performance – AMD Phenom II x6 1090T seems to be ahead in non-overclocked processing
This is the lowest end i7 intel card out there and for the same price as the Phenom x6 1090T there are better i7 cards out there that do out perform that 1090T (i7 950 for $300). Overall Intel has the upper hand over AMD at the moment. This doesn’t mean that AMD will disappear or always has the worst performace/cost ratio, just for the time being the i7 is currently ahead in this race. Looking forward to AMD’s release of some more cost efficient processors
i am gona stick with the 965be from amd for my new custom gaming comp. I dont see the point of buying a six core 1090t when most games wont see much of an improvement, and apps will only shave off a few seconds. I have considered going full i7 980x for the speed improvement and triple channel capability but for extra grand? I would say not worth it. Tri channel over dual is only a slight increase in speed maybe 2% from what i have seen . I will with dual ram on 965be for alot less money. In the end, money not that easy to come by, and i believe most people will stick with AMD but in my opinion if you got the cash to throw around and want a really crazy rig then hell go for INTEL i7 980x the fastest chip right now. And throw in the hd 5970
I just really have a question….I had always heard that the real power of intel i7 series was around the 950 and up. So wouldn’t it be better to bench those together?
And why does the Intel machine have 2 more gig of memory?…I mean that would matter on some of these tests right?
Oh…and the Fry Cry bench was funny how you screwed the result to look MEGA EPIC…when an actual graph would show roughly the same speed.
@Hobbs, 1) you have heard it wrong then, Real VFM and power is with the i7 920. 920 and 950 has almost the same overclocking limit on air. And clock to clock there is no difference at all.
2) Its inherent disadvantage with AMD as of now, dual channel vs triple channel.
3) Thats the graph software, do read whats written though.
AMD THEKE BHALO KI ACCHE ?
I m glad intel is making a great quality product line with the i7 chips, these chips run very fast, and stable. The problem with amd chips is they no longer have the best price/performance anymore, intel has taken that away from them along with sales (view the comparison charts that show sales of i7 intel chips vs phenoms – http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-amd-via-cpu-sales,6956.html). Intel took a huge advantage in the market and they have the best line of CPUs out there for PCs. However amd cpus wont die, a lot of you fail to see that amd has really gained market shares from their server chips (opteron), that will keep the company afloat for years and completing with intel. However I think amd needs to do something soon to stay relavent when it comes to the PC market CPUs.
[...] the amd platform is better at encoding which it simply isn't the numbers are there for you to read) http://www.techreaction.net/2010/05/…thuban-review/ the only thing the 1090t wins at (4.2ghz vs 4.2ghz) is everest which is simply a benchmark utility [...]
Yeah thats bullshit. stupid fkn amd haters have to rig the tests
[...] the Intels beat AMD's at benches $allday. But in reality, the differences are almost negligible. http://www.techreaction.net/2010/05/…thuban-review/ For the amount of extra money you need to spend on the 920 rig, I'd rather get a 1090T + better [...]
I think some people miss the point of why amd is still in the game, its because amd is almost as good as intel and its much more affordable. Intel isnt light years ahead of amd, its a small as hell gap in performance between the two. i can build an amd based pc with almost the same performance and intel based pc for half the price. so unless im a lifeless nerd who has to have the best of the best for no real reason except for nerd status then sticking with amd is the only chose for me. the boards are cheaper, the cpus are cheaper and they play games/ whatever i want them to exactly they way i want them to.
@Michael : Lulz, thats all there is to it. AMD is winning in the OC departement? Okay but what if intel doesnt need the OC in the first place. I mean yeah AMD wins the best OC awards. Intel doesnt even need to OC to beat AMD, so why? Why buy a proc that you can OC to boost it more than intel when you can have BETTER for the SAME PRICE without OCing the crap out of it? I mean thats just full of lulz.
Ha… People are not reading the benchmarks correctly. Just idiots looking at the graphs and not looking at the numbers that actually mean anything. Just b/c the graph is a bit bigger doesn’t mean intel “shit stomped” the AMD! Same concept as Apple fanbois, Windows fanbois, and Linux fanbois… Linux is free and more powerful than winblows and apple. Apple takes unix and once again repaints. Search pwn2own… Mac gets hacked in less than 10 seconds! (I went off topic) Anyway, I’m planning on building another workstation and I’m def. getting the AMD so I can afford 64gb SSD, HDDboost, 2 tb drive… Already ordered 6gb of DDR3 2000 CL 9 and ready to overclock the crap out of this AMD processor. Intel is a BRAND that is expensive, I’d rather off get the same performance (or better) for less out of my wallet. Did I mention, I’m a web applications developer with many skill sets? I have photoshop, flash, netbeans, lamp stack, 2 virtual windows instances, all the most common web browsers open, and over 100 firefox tabs… Also, theres a pretty sweet combo on newegg that comes w/ a mobo supporting USB3 ! Machine is def. future proof. My current setup is a beast and it’s an Athlon X2 3.2 ghz… can’t wait till I upgrade to an addition 4 cores. AMD FOR BOTH PERFORMANCE AND PRICE HANDS DOWN. FTW damn it. lol
You have some very misleading graphs there. Y axis needs to start at zero on all of them.
Change graph and you’ll see the real difference. On graph above on some tests intel looks like overperfoming amd X times, in real test it overperfoms 0,5-2%. LoL.
[...] http://www.techreaction.net/2010/05/…thuban-review/ Overall the i7 is neck and neck with the 1090t. And since you could use a 50$ am2+ board with a 1090t, that KILLS intel in the price vs performance market. The whole point of this thread was to prove that AMD's price/performance is much more than that on intel, CONGRATS INTEL FANBOYS, you just had to go into this thread spurting your "MY CPU KILLS YOUR YO" __________________ The OCN Green Dragons TeamJoin the OCN Foldathon! 20th-22nd October!Big Bang Theorists THAT SPY IS A SPY! Think you had a bad computer expeirience? Think again. Lol… Quote: [...]
[...] Its probably been posted before, but its 6:51 in the morning so get off my back
http://www.techreaction.net/2010/05/…thuban-review/ This is one of the many benchmark and system reviews i've seen, and of course, the INTEL QUAD [...]
That’s funny as AMD is outselling Intel. Think through what your saying you idot. AMD will ALWAYS be around. Ever heard of monopoly laws? I have an i7 and I cn safely say its nothing special i still prefer my AMD over intel
yes i to have and x6 processor oc at 3.6ghz ,8g of DDR3 1600hz h50 cooler avrage 95fps 100fps+ no joke. bra! oh! along with ud5 890 chipset motherboard. 1200 watt power supply 5970 ATI video card. sometime i wonder if the game can reach 200fps. i had an x4 pross give it to my son and got x4 bin with intel in the beganing but now i can realy say its all about memory have viewsonic 27inch just bought it couple days ago had 24inc give it to my son again. ok first thing i love bfbc2 love i candy at the same time need my fps hihg at all times got to get that kill! lol!! so run game at 4xaa 8xaf right thats with x4 pross..now! x6 pross..keep in mind from 24inc to 27inc running at 19×12 i said to my self thers goes my fps. ah well!. put the game in ugly!!BRO 4X AA,8XAF 27inc did not look good. freak.-out got piss..off what? so i did crank the game to 8xaa,16xaf WE ALL KNOW BFBC2 is a high fps game. same for water,sky ground we know that. when pointed at with mouse. fps goes high 100-125fps middle of the map desert different story ANY MAP u can see your self. dammm! standing 95fps running 105fps people no shittt! thanxs to amd x6 im in gameing heven!! running every thing on high and dont loose fps beatefull!! again thanks cant say enought obout thanks amd x61090T u get it in.
Pffff………..AMD = INTEL
if no concurrency —- NO PROGRESS RESPECT BOTH of em’
LOL @ the bars used to presentate the FPS in the games
1 FPS diference in intel stock vs amd OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG INTELLLLLLLLL WINNNNNSSSSSSS
FATALITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
not!
In the first test Intel Lost both. @ the second test Intel made it at HALF SECOND FASTER. @ third test its all about triple memory. @ the fourth test AMD takes the lead. @ fift test intel takes lead (But because 3DMark is optimized to Intel, like it or not) @ sixth test AMD takes the pot @ seventh test Intel has 1 fps more and OC has 0.4 FPS MORE!!!!! You had to be a fucking weirdo if you can see difference beetveen that! @ final test AMD has a 1 FPS difference and on OC they do the same.
So my conclusion is that AMD is winner cos it is cheaper than Intel system and it has 6 cores. And when someone creates a game, what can effectively use all 6 Cores, then AMD will take the lead. With Intel 6 cores coming high prize (1070€ on Finland) I would prefer a 270€ AMD
The 6 real hardware cores rather than virtual cores is not a big deal. This benchmark was done utilizing the GX boards rather than the optimal FX MOBO. The 1090T die provided less pwr loss. Perhaps the 1090T is more stable than the I7 920. I agree that stability should have been a benchmark here.
I use AMD and Intel in my various home and work PC’s. AMD will always do the research necessary to be successful in cutting into Intel market share. I’m certain that the AMD HW design engineers are currently developing a competitive architecture for the future products as we review the current consumer products.
The psychology aspect of the consumer interests me. Especially in the tech markets. It’s amazing the extra money that is thrown down for no other criteria than to have the best.
True intelligent decisions are realized when one is able to out-think their emotions and need to show-off. Often accepting (2nd best) is actually (the best). I hope that AMD continues to disrupt the monopoly with great value. danr
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True enough, intel beats the amd in performance. I own both the AMD & Intel cpu’s in this test.
I have 1 I7 system and 2 AMD 6core systems the 2 amd’s cost about the same as the 1 intel system.
The I7 will encode a video 20 minutes faster then the amd. but since i have 2 AMD’s I can encode
2 video’s at the same time. thus the price to performance is justified in my case. The I7 is for online
business. I like both companies. Competition keeps the price in check.
“just my 2cents”
I have to agree with some people here…I7 920 which is the cheaper I7 from Intel it’s slightly better than AMD 6 cores top of the line AND I7 980X which is expensive indeed is just covering AMD with dust. As somebody said earlier…980X embarasses any AMD cpu to date, it’s ridiculous even to try to compare them
[...] 1 Time in 1 Post [Blog] AMD Phenom II Six Core 1090T vs Core i7 920 Full Comparison | TechREACTION good tech review, some point in there they missed but its solid test results for amd's new 6 core [...]
My motherboard died this morning. So I went shopping, and decided an upgrade was in order. My main application is video rendering, so I was intrigued with the AMD. I had AMD systems in the past, but my just-dead system was an Intel Q9550.
Microcenter had a deal on the AMD 1090T, just over $200, put $40 off the motherboard… already fairly cheap. CPU price-wise, you could get an i7-920 or a higher spec i7-8xx for close to the same price, but more for the motherboard.
I don’t usually have the cash for buying the top performance stuff… I like what I call “the knee of the commodity curve”. A product is a commodity if you can pay twice as much and get twice as much performance. Which you can in CPUs, for awhile. At some point, you find yourself paying more than twice as much for increasingly less incremental performance. For example, my Q9550 was Intel’s $1000 chip for awhile.. six month later, I got mine on sale for $200.
Anyway, I had run a performance test just last week, the goal comparing Vegas 9 vs. Vegas 10 on video rendering speed (a question that was being tossed around online). The Q9550 ran my fairly simple MPEG-2 render in 26:48. That same render on the AMD ran in 15:50… 70% improvement, that’s worth the $400.
IMO, I think that AMD is actually owning the market in processors right now, because they are smarter than Intel to make processors that cost much less, because they know that more people will buy them. Sure Intel has quality processors, but paying around $1000 or more just for a slightly better processor IMO it’s a waste of money. I would go for the AMD processor because you get more out of your money as opposed to Intel’s chip where you get less out of your money because there is a big price difference for only a small upgrade. I am not someone who is stuck to brands I just prefer not to throw away a lot of my money for something that is only slightly better. I have never bought an Intel processor and probably never will.
Glad to see that AMD is still putting out “GARBAGE”…….. A quad core stomping all over their six-core and it is stated all over their site through steam that they are supposed to be something special in regards to “real” multi-threaded” apps. I call BS again on them. good god you’d think they would give up by now, losing both of the fights now.
Can those people who compares I7 980X with 1090T and blindly quarreling about the price difference OPEN your eyes?
The test compared the I7-920 with the 1090T, not the I7 -980X.
I7 920 and 1090T are the same price. From an unbiased perspective, I agree that Intel is currently faster with their I7 series. But, after maybe a year or 2, more applications are going to be able to utilize 6cores instead of 4. So if you are planning to go INTEL 6 cores, get the I7 950, and upgrade to something like I7-970 when the prices come down, or go BANG FOR THE BUCK (AMD).
AMD still has a better price/performance ratio, but it is true that the fastest RETAIL chip title goes to the I7 980X….which is 3 times more expensive than the 1090T.
Hopefully we can see some improved 2/4 thread utilizing for AMD, that way they can run old programs efficiently.
intel wants way too much money for their cpu… amd is way cheaper and i love them never have had a problem id go amd all the way
Hahaha… it’s kidding me!
Motherboard is different class which is used for AMD n Intel!!
AMD’s motherboard is exactly cheaper then Intel’s Motherboard!
Hahahaha this site is too bad fot comparasion.
Lol, i was hopping prices in India would be lower for both of those processor as i’m planning a trip and was hopping to buy one for cheap overseas. well been long since i’ve been to india, things have changed a lot for sure.
Except that is the 920, not the 965, which goes for as low $220, what i paid for it, averaging around $300 depending where you look. So yeah, inlel owned them.
Quit showing just the tops of the graphs!
The difference between 73, 74 and 75 FPS is not that dramatic!!!!!!!
i love how the test uses a board that does not utilize the six cores since the chipset is old. so basically you are testing a 4 core 1090 vs a i7 920. use the 890 chipset or 880 and you sill see a huge difference. not to mention the latest chipset boards for amd can be had for 89 dollars and that is half of the newest i7 boards. the 2 gig of ram can make a huge difference in these numbers too. not to mention that the amd price is msrp you can pick one up for 229 on tigerdirect so if you use the same memory and actually support for six cores the 1090 t wins hands down on all test. the 1090 is right on the same level is th i7 960 and i have both both with a lot of memory 12 gig on the intel and 16 on the amd the intell memory is 1600 and tri channel the amd memory is 1333 and dual channel both have ati 5770 graphics cards. and the amd is dead on with th intel on all the test i run they are neck and neck amd winning half and intel winning half. so it really depends on what you want. i got my whole intel system for 300 dollars from a guy that needed money bad so i came out better on the intel. i built the amd set up from the ground up with two 64 gig ssd drives and 4 tb of wd 7200 black drives with an asus board for 1000 dollars hit the sales hard. yes the 980 is better by a lot depends is it worth 800 dollars more it depends (i know that is not the chip in this comparison i was just pointing out the top chip right now) this test would be best against a 960 and the 1090 and not have either one bottlenecked by old chipset but the benchmarks on this are a lot lower than what i have granted i have more memory and a better video card and the ssd help a lot but not to make my numbers that much better just my fps this test was on engadget and the 960 and the 1090 tied. and to the intel fanboys you want amd around cause it drives up the research and development of intel having a competitor. this really comes down to preference.
Um…the chipset still recognizes all six cores. I can’t believe you didn’t take 30 seconds to research that before making such a lengthy post.
@Chris, if you bothered to check, as mentioned by Enjoy, chipset used is 890 albeit 890GX. Also do check out the date of the review, so what is 1090T competing against now and at what price point is completely irrelevant from the review perspective and should be taken into consideration by the reader.
and yes i read the post and the gx series does recognize the sixth core bot not really it is about a 25% to 30%
bottleneck which is essentially removing two cores. i did read the post and have read far more i have no bias torwards either system. but this comparison is not a fair test. it is like ccomparing two motors with about the same specs (hp and torque) and putting one in a vehicle that weighs 3000 lbs and one that weighs 4000 lbs. it is a very good review and test but the info gained from them cant be taken in to consideration. i have i7 and phenom II like both of them and both serve their purposes but be fair. i know it was not done intentional get a fx board and you will be shocked on what it does for the 1090 on the same note that hurts a selling point of the amd cause you technically have to buy a new motherboard which they claim is backwards compatible. and enjoy i am so glas you were able to tap into my computer and relize that i did not spend 30 seconds on this review. ipressive cause i swear i spent over an hour and read every post but im glad you know best. wow tool. but on the side note still a good article and it is awesome that people out here care about stuff like this. fell in love with my 286 back in the day and 20 years or so later still love this people think i speak in a different language when i break these down but hey its worth it.
@Chris, I am using a Crosshair IV Extreme now, and I dont find such big improvement other than tiny bits here and there and a bit more polish, alongwith ofcourse superior stability when putting the CPU’s under LN2. I dont know where you are getting your information but its completely wrong.
cause i had the crossfire IV and swithced i had the setup with a 965 be it makes all the difference it is a great board for the 965 but not for the 1090t. this is what i stated cause technically you kinda have to buy a new motherboard for this hexcore to get full potential. i know it is still not the best out there but i can assure you it outperforms the 920 like i said it is around the i7 940 to 960 depending on application. trust me i was issed when i figured out that my 200 dollar board did not have full support of the hexcore set up and no it is not groundbreaking or earth shattering but neither is going from a 920 to a 940 or 960
I support AMD for two reasons:
1. In real life applications the differences don’t actually mean much ( for the type of use I put a computer to ). With this in mind AMD gives me a cheaper alternative.
2. Intel is the big bad wolf and I would rather support the little guy. If AMD closes down then a monopoly by Intel leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.
NB For that person predicting that AMD will close down in 15 years you better hope not as a monopoly will ensure that prices of processors will go through the roof. Let’s see if you’ll still love Intel then.
Heck yeahhh
i love AMD > Intel any day… I will stick and support AMD all the way… Don’t stop the job your doing
cause you got customers with low bughetts :*( but we can afford AMD! I myself is a professional gamer currently compete in Counter-Strike 1.6 for almost 4 years and played the game for 10 years recently bought a AMD processor can’t wait so excited
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[...] the i7 is faster with single threaded programs and games. Heres a good site to compare the two. http://www.techreaction.net/2010/05/…thuban-review/ [...]
Aw yeah bro! I love sitting at my computer all day and arguing about benchmarks for CPUs and using emoticons and letters mixed with numbers to argue my point that AMD is better than Intel or vice versa. Hellz yeah broskis!!!
I love how I was just looking for information on CPUs but that stuff comes up instead. “LOLZ”
AMD Phenom II 1090T for $300 is way better than the $1000 Intel crap !
I mean who the fuk would want to pay $1000 for almost the same performance that he can get for only $300 Daaa!!!!!
Are all the readers of this review blind or what???? Where have the 1090T been compared to 1000$ chip??? It has been compared with a i7 920 which is like what going for 250$?
Just because it has more cores does not make it a better processor. intel may have 4 very good cores and amd may have 6 shit cores. You really should not look only on ammount of cores.
Well test are pretty close…loooks like alot of these comments saying I7 destroys AMD are just trying to justify paying all that money for something you could get for a 3rd of the price with AMD!!!!
$1000 compared to $300?comparing those prices you think I7 would do alot more for that money,when in fact it doesn’t in some cases it does a lot less…
AMD wins Hands down cause for that price compared to I7 its just high way robbery what Intel are charging.
also pretty much proves that Intel are ripping off there consumers
This should answer all your arguments:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Opteron+6128
Scroll down to see current performance and value comparisons as of Jan. 2011
Best value chip is said in the article to be the AMD 1055t. But that’s not to say that performance and price have equal weight…
Intel chips still swamp at the top.
You forget that the i7 920 requires a much more expensive motherboard and RAM to operate than the 1090T.
CAM: or like stealing a line from Tropic Thunder… no?
yesterday HP website cancelled my order with Intel Core i7 due to Sandy Bridge issue…. Well AMD is way ahead of Intel!
8 core do 0~5% better then 6 core???
i go with AMD forever…
intel must come up with better then 6core then i will go with intel…
expensive… slow intel nothx yo~ lol
to on frys phenom ii x6 1090t only $202.95 so.. nice price nice speed and best for all game system~
AMD gogogogo
In India always price matters . So Amd is best . No matter how much all of you argue.
amd its over.. face it.
Like 90% of intelers seem to be just trolls, 1090t is cheaper, almost $100 by now, also, this incident with sandy bridge is not the first of intel delivering crappy parts to manofacturers, in fact they have this kind of mistakes often (last year, most of i7 720/820 qm where defective), and consider this, phenom is built over the legendary k8 architecture, (the same architecture that destroyed p4, and made intel had to pay to to some idiots to make bad publicity to amd, and used illegal practices), meanwhile intel has spent a lot of money on building from 0 their architectures, ’cause they get to bottlenecks every single time (they can’t design an architecture that last as long as the k8), amd is making a new architechture that integrates CPU AND GPU (a cheap netbook that runs dx11 smoothly w/o graphic card, and some high end games on low specs is impressive), meanwhile intel just failed big time on that, o yea, also intel glued their crappy gpus on their processors. Just face it intel addorers, you have no brains to see beyond your noses, amd has been deving FUSION, and all phenom/opteron we have now are still related to k8, you can’t say the same about intels, so, AMD has less money than intel, but they use it way better, and they are usualy best bang/buck.
@STFUGUYS you are an idiot
hahaha …. when you unlock the cores and cache memory to AMD Phenom II x6 1090T as cockroach steps on the Intel 980X i7 …. but let’s face it … both are perfect
use more than 4 GB of RAM with these processors, and download the patch to crack the core of Windows 7 so you can use Windows 7 32 bit at maximum performance
Jesse Price — you talk too much. telling the world that you’re so smart.. who cares!! you still don’t know everything. show off nonsense.
The bottom line is this. you have AMDs 6 cores vs Intel’s 4 cores and AMD is pulling almost even. That’s not good in my opinion. AMD made a mistake in late 2005 by allowing intel to buy the licensing to their architecture because Intel’s Netburst technolgy was already in the trash bin. Intel got lucky and capitalized on AMD in that manner and hasn’t looked back ever since. But I know that AMD is on the way back and will force Intel to drop their prices once again. The 1090T processor is looking good and it should just get better. But for now, Intel is at the top. Go AMD!!!!
Did any of you figure out that ghz means nothing anymore????? That went out the windows 3 years ago!
After Analyzing all of your valuable comments I decided to assemble a machine with AMD 1090T processor instate of Intel i7 processor…. >>> I thankful to all of you for your valuable comments ………
if u compare intel vs amd in price i gues @ 200$ no other intel processor cn match amd and @1000$ whats the use of buyin a desktop pc when u can have amd opteron 12 core serve z_Z
and for those who think i-7 is best wait for 1 year and u will see a 16 core amd processor for desktop pcs
nice goin AMD!
I am a CAD\BIM specialist, My current work computer Is a i7-920 with 12gb of Ram, my Current Home computer (witch use for work also) is a AMD 1090t with 12 gb of ram, both machines are identical with the eception of the MB and CPU. On a daily basis I am running, AUTOCAD, REVIT (3D Modeling Program), Google Crome with 4 to 5 windows open, Firefox with Logmein, Abode Acrbat, and occasionally pointools, a 3D Point Cloud software. So far the i7-920 i use at at work cannot even compare to the 1090t black edition, in ever aspect. Weither i am running one program or all simulaniously. This is just my personal experience.
Someone here said no program uses six cores, that is just plain wrong, 3D stability modeling software “FLAC3D” uses all six cores all at 100%. TAKE THAT INTEL!!!!
i prefer AMD if i have to buy whole pc system but if only buy proc then i might buy Intel
what good is your pc if only your proc the good thing inside
my experience that AMD board now price less than Intel yet you get better feature
5-7 year ago bought AMD and Intel pc at same price, AMD run faster and better not because it’s proc but as whole system AMD have better onboard GPU
somehow it’s the same with today get same spec, Intel $50 more expensive than AMD
It’s 4-core CPU for both AMD and Intel, add $10 to Intel 4-core system and i can get AMD 6-core with same spec
so if you have more budget then get Intel and buy better GPU rather than onboard (Intel onboard GPU sucks)
if you have less then buy AMD then save your money to get better GPU later, since AMD onboard GPU is good enough
I see that they still use Intel Bias Benchmarks. AMD is doing a great job holding the numbers they have even with the benchmarks optimized for Intel. i7 are nice however do not run a base-line code against Phenom II X6 unless you like losing. Yes I know those stated Intel is better because they slightly beat AMD, however I would hate for those to truly take Non-Optimized code and run it on an Intel i7. Those guys would be in a shock of their life. AMD performs instructions per second better then Intel.
I get asked a lot by people to build a computer but on a tight budget, what i really like about the AMD is the AM2 AM2+ AM3 motherboards, get them started on a cheep duel core or quad core and when they have the money upgrade the chip to the hex and thats them happy till AMD produce the next one. From an earlier comment the worst thing that cold happen too the market is for amd to stop producing because the price of computers would just go out the window.
AMD Phenom is better and cheaper. I love AMD.
Owning Socket AM2 AMD Sempron 2800+ 2.14 GHz (Overclocked)
Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT
2.5 GB DDR 2 RAM.
Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit : (
I’m gonna buy AMD Phenom II X6.
Jesus… and I’m still stuck with a Pentium D 820, lol.
Looking forward to upgrading though, considering the 1090T is 170$ on Newegg, while the i7 is more like 250$, I’m going AMD.
Doing benchmarks with 4 gig ram in the AMD system, and 6 gig in the INTEL system are not fair benchmarks. I know as a heavy computer user that more RAM makes a huge difference in computer perfomance
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AMD rules
i m so confused, i7×920 is better in something but 1090T over reach the i7 in some another case.
so the final verdict i think is that if you are not scared of spending a huge amount of money for five percent of performance gain then go for Intel and if you are in search of cost effective as well as equally powerful processor then amd is made for you just like the way it is made for me
I will go for the amd bcoz of d low prices and please compare things which have same prices you can not compare a super car with supersonic jet …… so dont waste time and go for d 1 which suits u and ur work
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